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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
            HOUSE TRANSPORTATION STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                           
                         June 28, 2007                                                                                          
                           1:32 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Kyle Johansen, Chair                                                                                             
Representative Mark Neuman, Vice Chair                                                                                          
Representative Mike Doogan                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Anna Fairclough                                                                                                  
Representative Craig Johnson                                                                                                    
Representative Vic Kohring                                                                                                      
Representative Woodie Salmon                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
OTHER LEGISLATORS PRESENT                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative Bob Buch                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
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STATE TRANSPORTATION ISSUES                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
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WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
FRANK MCQUEARY, President                                                                                                       
Anchorage Road Coalition                                                                                                        
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
JACK LETTIERE, President                                                                                                        
American Association of State Highway and Transportation                                                                        
Officials;                                                                                                                      
Secretary, New Jersey Department of Transportation                                                                              
New Jersey                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
JENNIFER WITT, Regional Planning Manager                                                                                        
Central Region                                                                                                                  
Department of Transportation & Public Facilities                                                                                
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
TOM DOUGHERTY, Engineer/Architecture                                                                                            
Construction/Operations                                                                                                         
Central Region                                                                                                                  
Department of Transportation & Public Facilities                                                                                
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
JIM LAMSON, Design, Engineering & Construction                                                                                  
Project Management & Engineering Department                                                                                     
Anchorage Metropolitan Area Transportation Solutions (AMATS)                                                                    
Municipality of Anchorage (MOA)                                                                                                 
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  KYLE JOHANSEN  called  the  House Transportation  Standing                                                             
Committee  meeting  to  order at  1:32:49  PM.    Representatives                                                             
Neuman  and  Johansen   were  present  at  the   call  to  order.                                                               
Representative Doogan arrived as the meeting was in progress.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
^State Transportation Issues                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR JOHANSEN  announced that the  only order of  business would                                                               
be  a  discussion  on  state transportation  issues.    He  asked                                                               
Representative Buch to inform members about today's agenda.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:33:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BOB  BUCH, Alaska State Legislature,  told members                                                               
the  first speaker  would be  Frank McQueary,  who would  outline                                                               
context sensitive systems  (CSS).  The discussion  would focus on                                                               
community road development, particularly  on collector and feeder                                                               
streets and  on codes and  infrastructure development.   He noted                                                               
that the Anchorage road systems  have been under serious scrutiny                                                               
lately.  The  committee is looking at  some community development                                                               
designs that have been promoted nationally.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:35:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
FRANK  McQUEARY, President,  Anchorage Road  Coalition, gave  the                                                               
following presentation:                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Thank you,  Bob.  For  those of  you who don't  know me                                                                    
     I'll give you a little bit  of background.  I am not an                                                                    
     engineer and  I am not  a highway  designer.  I  am the                                                                    
     President  of   the  Anchorage  Road  Coalition.     My                                                                    
     background  is actually  [indisc.] at  multiple levels.                                                                    
     I  was in  banking here  in Anchorage  for a  number of                                                                    
     years.  I've also run  a trucking company and worked my                                                                    
     way  through  school  as  a   grade  checker  and  road                                                                    
     construction  projects  and  my father  was  a  highway                                                                    
     construction engineer.   So  there's a  certain genetic                                                                    
     affiliation with  the process  and certainly as  a user                                                                    
     both  in  the  commercial  sense  in  trucking  and  an                                                                    
     individual with a high degree of interest.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     The Anchorage  Road Coalition was formed  primarily out                                                                    
     of dissatisfaction  with a number of  projects that had                                                                    
     been designed and built here  in Anchorage on the level                                                                    
     of  the collector  streets, which  are both  access and                                                                    
     mobility  streets  but should  have  a  high degree  of                                                                    
     emphasis on access  and safe access, whether  it is for                                                                    
     school children  or people going  to and from  work and                                                                    
     getting to  their home  neighborhoods.   A group  of us                                                                    
     became involved  first with the Strawberry  Road issues                                                                    
     and then  with projects  we discovered all  around town                                                                    
     and,  as we  started  researching,  we discovered  that                                                                    
     there was  a "c change"  going on in the  profession in                                                                    
     terms of philosophy of  design, particularly with urban                                                                    
     streets.  Now  statewide we're talking a  lot more than                                                                    
     urban streets, but  as we got into looking  at what the                                                                    
     profession was trying to do  with a process called CSS,                                                                    
     we realized  that it would  ... help solve some  of the                                                                    
     problems we  saw with what was  happening in Anchorage,                                                                    
     but it  also would have  a great deal  of applicability                                                                    
     with some of our rural projects as well.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     I am  going to show  about 12  minutes of a  slide show                                                                    
     that was done by the President  of AASHTO.  His term, I                                                                    
     think, was  in 2005.  His  name was Jack Lettiere.   He                                                                    
     speaks obviously  from the  pinnacle of  the profession                                                                    
     as the  President of the American  Association of State                                                                    
     Highway Transportation  Officials [AASHTO]  that's been                                                                    
     sort of  the lead agency and  professional organization                                                                    
     and  wrote  the  Green   book  with  [indisc.]  between                                                                    
     designing,  managing  and constructing  the  interstate                                                                    
     highway  systems.    Jack  probably  speaks  with  more                                                                    
     credibility than I do so  I think the first few minutes                                                                    
     of  this  slide  show  will  be  very  informative  and                                                                    
     hopefully useful for this committee.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:38:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
[THE FOLLOWING IS AN AUDIO TRANSCRIPTION OF JACK LETTIERE ON                                                                    
VIDEO]                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Hello,  my  name is  Jack  Lettiere,  President of  the                                                                    
     American    Association    of   State    Highway    and                                                                    
     Transportation  Officials  and  Secretary  of  the  New                                                                    
     Jersey Department  of Transportation.  Welcome  to this                                                                    
     video,   "Contact    Sensitive   Solutions    for   the                                                                    
     Transportation   Professional."     The  transportation                                                                    
     strategies for the  next 50 years are going  to be very                                                                    
     different  than the  conventional  strategies from  the                                                                    
     last  50  years.    This  video  is  intended  to  help                                                                    
     transportation   professionals   adjust  to   the   new                                                                    
     transportation paradigm of  contact sensitive solutions                                                                    
     and to introduce this subject to others as well.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Since  the  1950s,  transportation  professionals  have                                                                    
     predominantly focused on raising  levels of service for                                                                    
     motor  vehicle  users by  widening  roads.   The  Texas                                                                    
     Transportation Institute studied  70 metropolitan areas                                                                    
     over 15 years and  found that the conventional strategy                                                                    
     of  expanding  roads had  had  virtually  no impact  on                                                                    
     congestion.  The  Institute confirmed that metropolitan                                                                    
     areas that  spent heavily  on increasing  motor vehicle                                                                    
     carrying  capacity were  no less  congested than  those                                                                    
     that spent nothing on widenings.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Although  counter intuitive  to many,  our profession's                                                                    
     longstanding  popular  assumption that  widening  roads                                                                    
     eases congestion is false.   However, over the decades,                                                                    
     the  unsuccessful battle  with congestion  has directly                                                                    
     and indirectly resulted  in harm to others  in a number                                                                    
     of ways.   Arguably,  pedestrians, the litmus  test for                                                                    
     good cities,  have suffered  the most  due to  our past                                                                    
     motor vehicle focus,  sprawling cities, poor pedestrian                                                                    
     facilities, and  hostile street environments.   Through                                                                    
     20/20  hindsight, our  profession now  realizes that  a                                                                    
     century  ago,  American   cities  were  as  pedestrian-                                                                    
     friendly  and as  transit-friendly  as European  cities                                                                    
     but  through   a  series  of  deliberate   choices,  we                                                                    
     retrofitted and  expanded our cities in  a highly motor                                                                    
     vehicle  oriented  way.   Many  cities  are  so  poorly                                                                    
     designed  now  that  motor  vehicles  have  effectively                                                                    
     become prosthetics,  without which people  could simply                                                                    
     not function effectively.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Expansive  highways built  to rural  and natural  lands                                                                    
     opened  up  vast  areas   for  developers.    Beautiful                                                                    
     meadows  and forests  were covered  with tract  housing                                                                    
     and strip development.   Farms, along with  some of our                                                                    
     most fertile lands and ecosystems,  were lost.  Sprawl,                                                                    
     the   unintended   but    real   consequence   of   our                                                                    
     transportation  system,  happened.     The  system  was                                                                    
     unfortunately  equated with  failure by  our profession                                                                    
     and, despite  colossal public  funding and  effort over                                                                    
     the last 50 years  to beat congestion; the conventional                                                                    
     transportation  strategies are  less than  ineffective.                                                                    
     The  more motor  vehicle capacity  that was  built, the                                                                    
     bigger the problem became.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     With  half a  century of  experience, the  profession's                                                                    
     epiphany  was that  it was  not the  roads were  really                                                                    
     failing, but the  conventional transportation paradigm.                                                                    
     In a  nutshell, the  input into the  conventional model                                                                    
     was levels  of service  for motorists and  forecasts of                                                                    
     even  more congestion  unless the  roads were  widened.                                                                    
     The  models  were  simplistic  facsimiles  of  reality,                                                                    
     presuming all  else being  equal.    However,  all else                                                                    
     was  not equal  and people  began driving  further than                                                                    
     they had  ever driven before, more  than doubling their                                                                    
     vehicle miles  traveled per capita  in a mere  35 years                                                                    
     between the years of 1960 and 1995.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     As   areas   became   more  motor   vehicle   oriented,                                                                    
     pedestrian  and bicycle  travel  became  less safe  and                                                                    
     less  popular.    As   a  result,  people  increasingly                                                                    
     replaced  pedestrian  and   bicycle  trips  with  motor                                                                    
     vehicle trips,  exacerbating the  problems.   New motor                                                                    
     vehicle dependent development  patterns responded:  low                                                                    
     density tract  housing, big  box retail,  and warehouse                                                                    
     schools became  common land uses that  responded to the                                                                    
     large  scale  of the  road  building  efforts.   Public                                                                    
     transit  was  simply not  feasible  in  these types  of                                                                    
     areas due to  the low concentrations of  people and the                                                                    
     long travel  distances.   The conventional  antidote of                                                                    
     road  widening  could not  keep  up  to sprawl  due  to                                                                    
     limited space, money and public support.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Furthermore,  the   deteriorating  road  infrastructure                                                                    
     from   early   road    building   boom   times   needed                                                                    
     professional   attention    and   increasingly   scarce                                                                    
     government  funding for  repairs.   Climate and  cities                                                                    
     were affected  by our development patterns  and asphalt                                                                    
     expanses raising  the city  temperatures in  the summer                                                                    
     months due  to what are  known as heat  island effects.                                                                    
     Heat,   tailpipe   emissions   and   other   pollutants                                                                    
     contributed  to smog,  which  became  a serious  health                                                                    
     issue,  reducing the  quality  of life  for people  and                                                                    
     occasionally killing them, as  happened to this freezer                                                                    
     truck full of people and  about 700 others in Chicago's                                                                    
     1995 heat wave.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Our motor vehicle  dependency and resulting development                                                                    
     patterns  have  contributed  greatly to  a  countrywide                                                                    
     inactivity  and  obesity   epidemic  according  to  the                                                                    
     Center for Disease Control in  adults and children.  It                                                                    
     is a  startling statistic that  an average 11  year old                                                                    
     boy today is 11 pounds  heavier than an average 11 year                                                                    
     old boy in  1973.  Consequently, diabetes  has grown to                                                                    
     become  a huge  problem in  adults and  children, along                                                                    
     with  a  host  of  other  lifestyle  and  environmental                                                                    
     diseases,  including  various  cancers,  asthma,  heart                                                                    
     disease, and depression.  Children  born after the year                                                                    
     2000  have   a  shorter  life  expectancy   than  their                                                                    
     parents,  due to  lifestyle and  environmental diseases                                                                    
     overtaking  the  ability  of our  medical  industry  to                                                                    
     counter them.   To add fuel to the  fire, most credible                                                                    
     sources predict that the world  demand for oil will out                                                                    
     pace  the  ability to  extract  and  refine oil  within                                                                    
     about 10 years.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     In the  meantime, we  have built  cities with  the most                                                                    
     highly   inefficient   transportation  and   land   use                                                                    
     patterns  in  the history  of  the  world in  terms  of                                                                    
     energy  and   land  consumption   per  capita.     Left                                                                    
     unaddressed,  it  will  not   take  long  for  economic                                                                    
     problems  associated with  this wastefulness  to weaken                                                                    
     us   internationally.     The  cumulative   effects  of                                                                    
     deforestation,  CO  emissions,  and  generally  messing                                                                    
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     with   natural  systems   is  contributing   to  global                                                                    
     problems.    Melting  ice caps,  rising  ocean  levels,                                                                    
     expanding  deserts,   droughts,  and   extreme  weather                                                                    
     events may be  Mother Nature's way of giving  us a hint                                                                    
     that it's time to change our ways.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     So  let's  talk   about  context  sensitive  solutions.                                                                    
     Context  sensitive solutions  are an  integral part  of                                                                    
     smart growth.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:45:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Context sensitive  solutions include  context sensitive                                                                    
     design  in  which projects  are  designed  to suit  the                                                                    
     context  but they  also include  solutions that  do not                                                                    
     require anything to  be designed at all.   For example,                                                                    
     changing policies to require  street trees or mixed use                                                                    
     zoning   requires  no   design.     Context   sensitive                                                                    
     solutions involve  working with the  community, working                                                                    
     within the various levels of  context, ranging from the                                                                    
     general need to reduce  motor vehicle dependency to the                                                                    
     specific  context  of  a   location  and  applying  the                                                                    
     principles of smart growth.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     We will  review some of  the most important  aspects of                                                                    
     context sensitive solutions,  starting with approaching                                                                    
     context sensitive solutions with  objectivity.  We need                                                                    
     to  recognize some  of  our  own profession's  historic                                                                    
     biases and fix  them.  For example,  a highway capacity                                                                    
     manual, though  sold as a technical  document, contains                                                                    
     language and  value sets that are  inherently biased to                                                                    
     be pro-motor vehicle.  This  should come as no surprise                                                                    
     due  to its  inception  during the  golden  age of  the                                                                    
     motor  vehicle.   For example,  the common  use of  the                                                                    
     word "improvement" when discussing  a street project is                                                                    
     biased  in favor  of the  beneficiaries of  the project                                                                    
     against those and that which  is harmed.  In this case,                                                                    
     the widening  project benefits motorists  while harming                                                                    
     the  urban  forest,   the  residents,  and  residential                                                                    
     property values.   The  use of  such value  based words                                                                    
     indicates a bias  intentionally or not by  the user and                                                                    
     results in a lowering  of credibility with an objective                                                                    
     audience.       Perfectly   accurate    and   objective                                                                    
     substitutes exist and need to be used.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Similarly, the  idea that changing  the type  of street                                                                    
     from a  collector street  to an  arterial street  is an                                                                    
     upgrade  indicates a  bias.   Audiences that  share the                                                                    
     bias might  not notice,  however, and an  audience that                                                                    
     is looking  for a different outcome  would perceive the                                                                    
     bias.    Critics  may  scoff  at  this  as  being  just                                                                    
     politically  correct, however  if a  speaker or  writer                                                                    
     wants   to   be  and   appear   to   be  an   objective                                                                    
     professional,  then he  or she  simply  needs to  avoid                                                                    
     biased language.  "Efficient"  is a highly misused word                                                                    
     when involved with widening  strategies.  Motor vehicle                                                                    
     carrying capacities  may have increased but  as we have                                                                    
     already discussed, energy  and land inefficiencies have                                                                    
     also increased and congestion has remained unchanged.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     The  concept  to  speed is  key  to  context  sensitive                                                                    
     solutions.   The first idea  is to recognize  the plain                                                                    
     physics  involved  with speed  -  that  the effects  of                                                                    
     different  speeds are  not proportional  to the  speed.                                                                    
     For example,  a driver  going 20  miles per  hour would                                                                    
     have a  stopping sight distance  of about 150  feet but                                                                    
     the stopping  sight distance  at 40  miles per  hour is                                                                    
     not simply double, it's actually about 600 feet.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Similar  non-linear  relationships  are  involved  with                                                                    
     other  phenomena.   For example,  the  likelihood of  a                                                                    
     pedestrian dying  in a collision  with a  car increases                                                                    
     dramatically  with speed.   Some  drivers drive  faster                                                                    
     than  the  street's  designed speed,  consequently  the                                                                    
     effects  of different  design speeds  on non-motorists,                                                                    
     such as  shop owners  and pedestrians,  is more  than a                                                                    
     nominal change in  design speed.  A change  of 30 miles                                                                    
     per hour  to 40  miles per hour  design speed  would be                                                                    
     perceived as more like the  difference between 35 miles                                                                    
     per hour and  45 miles per hour design  speed, which is                                                                    
     much more  impactful due to  the non-linear  effects of                                                                    
     rising speeds.   Oppositely,  changes in  design speeds                                                                    
     from  40 miles  per hour  to 30  miles per  hour or  30                                                                    
     miles per  hour to  20 miles per  hour results  in much                                                                    
     better environments for non-motorists.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     The  second idea  about  speed has  to  be in  context.                                                                    
     Conventionally, design speeds were  the lowest on local                                                                    
     streets,  higher   on  collector  streets,   higher  on                                                                    
     arterial  streets  and  highest  on  highways.    In  a                                                                    
     context    sensitive    solutions   environment,    the                                                                    
     functional  classification  does   not  dictate  design                                                                    
     speed.   Instead,  design speed  is a  function of  the                                                                    
     context.    For example,  it  is  okay to  have  design                                                                    
     speeds of  50 miles  per hour on  a highway  outside of                                                                    
     town, but  in town design  speeds of 25 miles  per hour                                                                    
     are  appropriate.    Just  outside  each  end  of  town                                                                    
     there's a  transition area for  changing from  the high                                                                    
     rural design speeds to the town's low design speeds.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     100  years   ago  and  earlier,  local   collector  and                                                                    
     arterial  streets operated  at  the same  speeds -  the                                                                    
     speed  of a  walking  horse.   As  a  result, even  the                                                                    
     busiest streets  had retail fronting  them, residential                                                                    
     uses  alongside, pedestrian  traffic and  transit.   It                                                                    
     was a very  modern and incorrect idea  that big streets                                                                    
     and cities also  had to be fast streets.   It is mainly                                                                    
     the negative  effects of high  motor vehicle  speeds in                                                                    
     cities that  caused retail uses, residential  uses, and                                                                    
     pedestrians  to gravitate  away from  the big  streets.                                                                    
     Consequently, for our urban areas  to be successful, it                                                                    
     is important to employ lower design speeds.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     There   are  two   types  of   safety  from   a  design                                                                    
     perspective.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:51:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     The first  type is conventional design  safety where we                                                                    
     provide  care   zones  for  giving   bridge  abutments,                                                                    
     etcetera,  so  that when  drivers  leave  the road  and                                                                    
     collide with  other objects  or otherwise  lose control                                                                    
     of their motor  vehicles, the least harm  comes to them                                                                    
     and their  passengers.   The second  and newer  type is                                                                    
     behavioral design safety where  we design the street to                                                                    
     result in safe driver  behavior, lower speeds and fewer                                                                    
     collisions.    Behavioral  design safety  is  typically                                                                    
     included as  part of context sensitive  design projects                                                                    
     in  urban  areas.    Some people  know  it  as  traffic                                                                    
     calming.   Our ideas  about design safety  have changed                                                                    
     over the  years outside and  inside of cars.   Consider                                                                    
     seatbelts, for example.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:52:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. McQUEARY stopped  the video and offered to  provide copies of                                                               
it  to members.   He  noted the  discussion of  behavioral design                                                               
indicates a  vast change in  the way the profession  is beginning                                                               
to design streets.   It is occasioned  by the fact that  a lot of                                                               
information  is   now  available  with  the   interstate  highway                                                               
system's  40-year  history.    The  results  of  applying  design                                                               
standards based on  moving the largest number of  cars as rapidly                                                               
and efficiently  as possible  to urban streets  can now  be seen.                                                               
That design  standard has not  worked.  Typically the  wide, fast                                                               
approach  to  urban  collector  streets  and  arterials  has  not                                                               
improved mobility and has negatively impacted neighborhoods.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  McQUEARY told  members  he spoke  with  Steve Soenksen,  the                                                               
state's  Safe  Routes  to  Schools  coordinator.  Mr.  Soenksen's                                                               
statistics  show that  nationally,  22 percent  of  the trips  on                                                               
national  highways are  school related.     He  said that  school                                                               
transportation planning  has taken  place in isolation  from land                                                               
use  planning   and  with  inadequate  coordination   with  other                                                               
professions  and  disciplines.    School  districts  often  build                                                               
schools  on  the  least expensive  land  available,  which  means                                                               
students will be bussed over  longer distances.  Twenty-something                                                               
years ago,  80 percent  of students walked  to school;  now fewer                                                               
than 20  percent do.   A  major reason for  that decrease  is the                                                               
type of transportation networks that were designed.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR.  McQUEARY told  members  the largest  study  done on  highway                                                               
safety was done by Robert  Noland, a professor at London Imperial                                                               
College.   Mr. Noland compiled  data from  all 50 states  over 14                                                               
years.  The  number of accidents and deaths  has decreased during                                                               
the last 40 years; therefore  the profession assumed that was the                                                               
result of safer roads.   Mr. Noland's model included factors such                                                               
as  seat  belt  use,  safer  cars,  emergency  medical  services,                                                               
demographics, drunken driving laws,  etcetera, and concluded that                                                               
lane  widening was  actually less  safe  because the  permissive,                                                               
forgiving design  results in inattentive  drivers.   He concluded                                                               
that  lane widths  of  12 feet  and more  have  resulted in  more                                                               
severe accidents.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MCQUEARY  said  some  of the  ideas  developed  for  highway                                                               
design,  such  as  sight  design,  are not  working  as  well  as                                                               
expected and  often do not  work on an urban  street environment.                                                               
He  explained that  removing  a hill  to  improve sight  distance                                                               
results  in  drivers increasing  their  speed  because they  feel                                                               
safer.  He noted that many  lessons are being learned about urban                                                               
street  design.    The  CSS  says  that  street  design  requires                                                               
multidisciplinary input, not just financial considerations.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:58:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. MCQUEARY said it is  important to establish a project's goal.                                                               
He recently spoke toHHe Jeff Ottesen  who is in charge of capital                                                               
projects   for  the   Department  of   Transportation  &   Public                                                               
Facilities  (DOT&PF).   Mr. Ottesen  said this  year all  federal                                                               
funds   will  not   be  sufficient   to  complete   the  deferred                                                               
maintenance on  the national highway road  system.   He  said the                                                               
state  needs  to  begin  to   require  that  all  state  agencies                                                               
cooperate  to extract  the  most  value out  of  each dollar  for                                                               
roads.  He said he has  had an ongoing debate with Mark Neidhold,                                                               
head  of design.   Mr.  Neidhold believes  in "CSD"  but believes                                                               
DOT&PF should implement it.  He told members:                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
        Well, they can implement, they can control their                                                                        
     employees but that doesn't mean that they're going to                                                                      
     get the time  they need from Public Safety  or from the                                                                    
     Department  of  Environmental   Conservation  or  other                                                                    
     agencies.   Here in Anchorage  ... we're lucky  we have                                                                    
     in the police  department Nancy Reeder (ph)  who is the                                                                    
     head  of traffic  control.   She  spends an  inordinate                                                                    
     amount of  time participating in discussions  like this                                                                    
     and  is   an  avid  fan   of  CSS,  and  avid   fan  of                                                                    
     roundabouts,  understands  what  the  impacts  of  poor                                                                    
     design are  because she has  to deal with  both picking                                                                    
     up the pieces  and parts of people  after the accidents                                                                    
     and trying to enforce speed  limits that don't make any                                                                    
     sense in  terms of the  design.   If you design  a road                                                                    
     that looks like it's built  to drive 60 miles per hour,                                                                    
     quite a  few people are going  to go that fast.   If it                                                                    
     looks like  it's designed  to go 80  miles an  hour and                                                                    
     they feel comfortable, they are  going to go that fast.                                                                    
     So part of CSS is designing  the scale of the street to                                                                    
     get  the  desired  behavior.    That's  the  behavioral                                                                    
     design that Jack Lettiere was talking about.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     We're still  in transition.   The  legislative approach                                                                    
     or the  executive order approach  will get us  where we                                                                    
     need  to  go   faster.    We're  going   to  get  there                                                                    
     eventually  but  we  can  speed   up  the  process  and                                                                    
     probably  save some  money and  save some  lives or  at                                                                    
     least get  better value from  the money  we're spending                                                                    
     if  we do  it now.    I've been  talking to  Bob for  a                                                                    
     couple  of years  about  it.   Last  year  we did  some                                                                    
     presentations to  the Senate  Transportation Committee.                                                                    
     We're   hoping  that   this  next   year  that   either                                                                    
     legislation or an executive  order will be implemented.                                                                    
     I think  there are some  people here from -  Jim Lamson                                                                    
     from the Municipality, who I  believe has started a CSS                                                                    
     program ....                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:01:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DOOGAN  asked whether the CSS  planning process is                                                               
in use elsewhere.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. McQUEARY  said it is.   The Federal  Highway Administration's                                                               
(FHWA) second  strategic goal is  to have CSS implemented  in all                                                               
50 states by the end of the year.  The program began in 1998 at a                                                               
national  symposium.   Currently,  25  states  have statutory  or                                                               
executive order implementation.  Some  form of CSS is implemented                                                               
at  the policy  level or  program  level in  almost every  state.                                                               
Anchorage's  AMATS has  nominally adopted  CSS but  has not  done                                                               
much in terms of implementation.   Alaska DOT&PF uses some of the                                                               
CSS  techniques  on  freeway  connection design.    He  said  the                                                               
implementation is broad outside but  slow in Alaska.  At AASHTO's                                                               
convention  last fall,  it  set up  state  training programs  for                                                               
state engineers to accelerate the process of adoption.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:03:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DOOGAN  asked if a sufficient  track record exists                                                               
to  determine the  effect  of  the CSS  program  on planning  and                                                               
project costs.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  McQUEARY   said  he   believes  sufficient   information  is                                                               
available  to determine  that context  sensitive systems  cost no                                                               
more and probably  save money.  He told members  U.S. Highway 93,                                                               
which runs  through the  northern states,  had been  embroiled in                                                               
controversy  for  23 years.    A  CSS  team brought  the  various                                                               
interest groups to the  table and got it built.   He noted he has                                                               
heard similar  stories anecdotally.   The  states that  have seen                                                               
the  most  success   have  said  it  costs   no  more,  minimizes                                                               
controversy, and  provides a higher  degree of  satisfaction when                                                               
projects  are completed.   He  also felt  it restores  government                                                               
credibility with the public.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:07:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  DOOGAN  said  he  would like  to  see  statistics                                                               
because it seems counter intuitive  that involving more people in                                                               
a planning process  will take less time and cost  less.  He noted                                                               
this  system  might work  better  on  bigger, more  controversial                                                               
projects.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:07:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BUCH said  he would work with Mr.  McQueary to get                                                               
some hard statistics for the legislature to consider next year.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:08:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. McQUEARY offered to provide data to the committee.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:09:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JENNIFER  WITT,   Regional  Planning  Manager,   Central  Region,                                                               
Alaska   Department  of   Transportation  &   Public  Facilities,                                                               
introduced herself  and Tom Dougherty, Construction  Group Chief,                                                               
and said  Mr. Dougherty has  worked closely with  communities and                                                               
stakeholders on design-build projects including the Parks-Glenn                                                                 
Interchange and the Glenn-Bragaw Interchange.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:11:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. WITT told members she would like to frame the CSS discussion                                                                
in terms of recent efforts in Anchorage and the challenges that                                                                 
process has created.  She continued:                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     What is CSS?  ...  It is a collaborative  - I'd like to                                                                    
     read   it   for   the    record   -   a   collaborative                                                                    
     interdisciplinary    approach    that   involves    all                                                                    
     stakeholders to develop  a transportation facility that                                                                    
     fits  its   physical  setting  and   preserves  scenic,                                                                    
     aesthetic, historic  and environmental  resources while                                                                    
     maintaining  safety  and  mobility  -  and  I  want  to                                                                    
     emphasize maintaining and not  at the expense of safety                                                                    
     and mobility.   CSS is  an approach that  considers the                                                                    
     total   context    within   which    a   transportation                                                                    
     improvement   project  will   exist.  ...     From   my                                                                    
     perspective within  the department,  is that it  is not                                                                    
     synonymous with  traffic calming  nor is  it synonymous                                                                    
     with design by popular votes  and we have some examples                                                                    
     here where  it shows  that indeed often  it is  not the                                                                    
     cheapest option  but that doesn't  mean it  doesn't get                                                                    
     implemented.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     The next  handout I'd like  to bring your  attention to                                                                    
     is  the description  of the  Anchorage  Bowl 2025  Long                                                                    
     Range  Transportation Plan  that  was  featured by  the                                                                    
     Federal Highway  Administration as  a case study  and a                                                                    
     successful application  of context  sensitive solutions                                                                    
     on  the  transportation  planning front.    It  focuses                                                                    
     primarily  on  the  process   and  the  involvement  of                                                                    
     specific stakeholders in  getting community, basically,                                                                    
     consensus   on   developing   a  highway   to   highway                                                                    
     connection.   This is documenting too,  for the record,                                                                    
     as   the   project    moves   into   development,   the                                                                    
     expectations  and  the  needs  and the  values  of  the                                                                    
     communities that it impacts.   Those who have been here                                                                    
     for a long time may be  able to remember when the Glenn                                                                    
     Highway  was widened  to four  lanes and  brought right                                                                    
     through  Mountainview into  the heart  of downtown,  as                                                                    
     well  as I  and L  Street,  as well  as Ingra  Gambell.                                                                    
     Those  are  two  major  connections  through  town  and                                                                    
     actually were built directly through neighborhoods.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     This  last long  range  transportation plan  recognized                                                                    
     that as well as looking at  all of the data, the safety                                                                    
     data,  it's   no  surprise  that  our   most  congested                                                                    
     locations are also the locations  of the highest number                                                                    
     of accidents and severity of  accidents, as well as the                                                                    
     locations where  the neighborhoods are  really pursuing                                                                    
     traffic   calming,  such   as   in   Fairview  and   in                                                                    
     Mountainview so  that's no accident.   So all  of these                                                                    
     things are really  focused on the need to get  to a way                                                                    
     to preserve the neighborhoods,  reconnect them, as well                                                                    
     as  provide for  the  transportation  and the  movement                                                                    
     needs  within the  community and  get them  out of  the                                                                    
     neighborhoods.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     And so this  is just a summary of that  and actually we                                                                    
     are   moving   forward   with  this   expectation   for                                                                    
     development for  a cut and cover,  basically, [indisc.]                                                                    
     to connect Fairview  over the top.  Tom  will address a                                                                    
     little bit of  the process that he's  gone through with                                                                    
     the  very   first  phase  of   this  highway-to-highway                                                                    
     connection being the Glenn-Bragaw Interchange.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     You  had  asked about  -  Representative  Doogan -  the                                                                    
     challenges that  we have and it  seems counterintuitive                                                                    
     that  people would  get very  involved at  the planning                                                                    
     stage  and that  is absolutely  correct.   Anybody here                                                                    
     that has  worked in  transportation planning  knows how                                                                    
     hard it is to generate  that level of interest and this                                                                    
     chart, the first one in  the stapled handout, shows the                                                                    
     amount.     The  amount  -   the  bisecting   lines  of                                                                    
     increasing  public  interest  as  you get  out  of  the                                                                    
     planning,  through the  programming, and  actually into                                                                    
     construction, some  people really don't take  notice or                                                                    
     want to  participate until they see  the bulldozers out                                                                    
     there  during construction  and  yet  their ability  to                                                                    
     influence those decisions  commensurately decrease over                                                                    
     time as we get closer so  that is the challenge: how to                                                                    
     motivate  the  public  to  get  involved  early  on  in                                                                    
     project development.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Another  challenge  that  we are  faced  with  in  this                                                                    
     profession is the  fact that projects take  a long time                                                                    
     to reach  construction and this problem  is exacerbated                                                                    
     in Alaska  when we have a  20 year, 25 year  history of                                                                    
     relying pretty much exclusively  on the federal highway                                                                    
     process for project delivery.   We're starting to see a                                                                    
     little bit of a difference  now, and Tom can talk about                                                                    
     it too, the dynamics you  have in involving and keeping                                                                    
     the  interests of  stakeholders from  project inception                                                                    
     to  project delivering  and that  is  something we  can                                                                    
     talk  about  with  this  design-build  project  on  the                                                                    
     interchange.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     This chart demonstrates the linear  format of a federal                                                                    
     highway  project.   Once oil  had  taken a  dip in  the                                                                    
     '80s,  we turned  exclusively  to  the federal  highway                                                                    
     program and we  are the only state that does  that.  It                                                                    
     does have a very linear process  in that I can tell you                                                                    
     right now that if we  had used federal highway funds on                                                                    
     the Glenn-Bragaw  Interchange, we would still  be doing                                                                    
     environmental impact  statements, same with  the Abbott                                                                    
     Loop road  extension.  So, using  other funding sources                                                                    
     allows  a lot  more compressed  timeframe, but  this is                                                                    
     one of  the challenges  we have.   How do  you generate                                                                    
     and maintain  that interest over  time when you  have a                                                                    
     turnover  in neighborhoods  and populations  and things                                                                    
     like that?                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     The  other challenge  we  have, and  I'd  just like  to                                                                    
     bring  your attention  to the  bar chart  on this  page                                                                    
     here ...                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:17:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. WITT continued:                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     ...  is  the lack  of  a  good  and well  defined  road                                                                    
     hierarchy.   A lot  of the  examples that  Mr. McQueary                                                                    
     had  referred to  were  [indisc.] within  neighborhoods                                                                    
     and on  collector streets.   The  challenge we  have is                                                                    
     that our major arterials and  our local roads over time                                                                    
     have  been forced  to serve  both functions.   Ideally,                                                                    
     Tudor Road  and Muldoon Road would  have been developed                                                                    
     with very,  very limited access and,  consequently, not                                                                    
     be having  to serve  the through movements  around town                                                                    
     as well  as providing  direct access to  the commercial                                                                    
     businesses  as  well  as the  several  homes  that  are                                                                    
     located immediately adjacent to the road.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     With that  comes problems  and we've  been able  to get                                                                    
     away with that for a very  long time but as we've grown                                                                    
     as  a community,  the  Mat-Su  Borough is  experiencing                                                                    
     this  as  well, where  you  start  experiencing a  high                                                                    
     level  of accidents  and as  the congestion  increases,                                                                    
     the  conflicts  increase.    So  that  is  one  of  the                                                                    
     challenges here and we may refer back to this card.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Another  challenge, and  this  is one  that has  become                                                                    
     very  relevant  to  roads  here,  within  Anchorage  is                                                                    
     improving  existing roads  that do  indeed function  as                                                                    
     collectors.  Unfortunately,  these roads are oftentimes                                                                    
     originally  developed in  an  older neighborhood  where                                                                    
     homes  immediately  access  the  road.    I  used  some                                                                    
     examples  from Eagle  River.   That's where  I got  the                                                                    
     pictures of  this, a  couple of  them.   Baranof Street                                                                    
     was developed  as a  dirt road to  provide access  to a                                                                    
     school and  the municipality came  in and paved  it and                                                                    
     provided  the sidewalk  and  lighting  for the  school.                                                                    
     Meadow Creek Drive is one  that was developed initially                                                                    
     as a  dead end road  but it  was extended farther.   It                                                                    
     connects  to  another  arterial and  it  needed  to  be                                                                    
     retrofitted  because  it  was  not only  a  school  bus                                                                    
     route, but  also a  people mover route  and so  this is                                                                    
     one where  the municipality came in  and shoehorned in,                                                                    
     basically,  a  sidewalk  that   is  heavily  used  now.                                                                    
     Business  Boulevard in  Eagle  River was  one that  was                                                                    
     developed in a commercial district  and, at the time of                                                                    
     development, the  landowners were  not required  to put                                                                    
     in sidewalks so it was  a very, very expensive retrofit                                                                    
     that accommodates an attached  sidewalk on one side and                                                                    
     a separated trail on the other.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     So the challenge in the  biggest application of some of                                                                    
     the  context  sensitive   solutions  that  are  gaining                                                                    
     ground  right now  are on  these  types of  facilities.                                                                    
     The  collector  road  is  where   there  is  a  lot  of                                                                    
     attention  and, again,  in Anchorage  we're doing  much                                                                    
     better on developing our collector  street system.  The                                                                    
     problems that  we have in  the Mat-Su Borough  are that                                                                    
     we lack  collector streets and  that our  arterials are                                                                    
     starting   to  be   congested  with   high  levels   of                                                                    
     accidents.  I  have missed one of the pages  here.  The                                                                    
     black and white one is  talking a little bit about what                                                                    
     are  some of  the  techniques that  have been  bantered                                                                    
     about.  What are some of the things that work?                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:20:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     There  has been  a lot  of  work done  in the  Fairview                                                                    
     neighborhood.    These  are  actually  traffic  calming                                                                    
     techniques that  are appropriate for  neighborhoods but                                                                    
     are not appropriate for the  facilities.  We do need to                                                                    
     have roads  and protect  facilities whose  main purpose                                                                    
     is  to get  people  from  Point A  to  Point B  without                                                                    
     providing  access to  the  lands immediately  adjacent.                                                                    
     Fairview has  it all.   They  have the  diverters where                                                                    
     basically  it  used to  be  a  wide  road.   They  have                                                                    
     problems with  pedestrian traffic, speeding,  crime and                                                                    
     so now  to get through  Fairview is  a little bit  of a                                                                    
     trick.  Diverters are where  you totally cut off access                                                                    
     but  provide pedestrian  movement through  there.   The                                                                    
     curved bold-outs  certainly help decrease  the distance                                                                    
     for  the  pedestrians crossing  the  road  and it  also                                                                    
     gives some visual - the  horizontal visual and vertical                                                                    
     effect  that Mr.  McQueary had  referred to.   Entryway                                                                    
     signs into a neighborhood [are] done there.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     The next one  was actually taken in  the Turnagain area                                                                    
     where the city has  done raised intersections and speed                                                                    
     bumps as  a way of  traffic calming, getting  people to                                                                    
     slow down  within the neighborhoods.   Another thing is                                                                    
     the  chicane, or  basically a  curve, developed  into a                                                                    
     road specifically  to help slow traffic  and notify the                                                                    
     drivers  that they  are  in a  different  place.   That                                                                    
     again is in Fairview.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     With that, I'd  like to turn it over  the Tom Dougherty                                                                    
     to  talk about  the projects  we've done  and who  have                                                                    
     been some  of the stakeholders  that we've had  to work                                                                    
     with that  were critical to project  implementation and                                                                    
     success.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:22:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
TOM  DOUGHERTY,  Engineer/Architecture,  Construction/Operations,                                                               
Central   Region,   Department   of   Transportation   &   Public                                                               
Facilities, told members he spends  most of his time dealing with                                                               
the complaint  side of  projects, but has  also been  involved in                                                               
three high  profile projects  that followed  CSS guidelines.   He                                                               
agreed with  Mr. McQueary that each  project has to be  looked at                                                               
on a  case-by-case basis  because CCS  guidelines can  save time,                                                               
which  can also  lower costs.   He  noted the  stakeholders in  a                                                               
major highway design  are very different than  stakeholders in an                                                               
urban  road   design.    He   said,  regarding   the  Glenn-Parks                                                               
Interchange, the  freeway was built  through the wetland  area in                                                               
the mid 1960s.  He remarked:                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     A  lot of  the resource  agencies were  waiting to  get                                                                    
     another bite at us when  we came back through again and                                                                    
     it's a  bit of  a challenge.   For about  a year  and a                                                                    
     half  we   met  every  two   weeks  with  all   of  the                                                                    
     stakeholders.  There's Fish and  Game, there's the DNR,                                                                    
     there's  Fish and  Wildlife, and  there was  the Native                                                                    
     group  in  Eklutna.    There  were  a  whole  bunch  of                                                                    
     different  stakeholders that  wanted to  see this  done                                                                    
     differently the next  time.  Basically we  got them all                                                                    
     together and we  had them on board  from the beginning.                                                                    
     This job  went fairly well,  even to the end  where the                                                                    
     contractor - it  was a design build  type situation and                                                                    
     the  contractor came  up  with  an innovative  solution                                                                    
     himself,  which  saved  us about  another  7  acres  of                                                                    
     wetland  involvement on  that project  so I  think that                                                                    
     one, taking  everything into account and  starting from                                                                    
     beginning to end, my understanding  of, had nothing but                                                                    
     good reviews on how that project turned out.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Another one  of the  big stakeholders  on that  job was                                                                    
     the  traveling  public and  we  did  a  lot to  try  to                                                                    
     accommodate   the    traveling   public    during   the                                                                    
     construction, as  well as when  it was all  done, there                                                                    
     was - I would say 99  percent of the people I've talked                                                                    
     to  are happy  with it.   There's  one group  out there                                                                    
     that  aren't  quite  happy.   That's  the  people  that                                                                    
     travel from  Wasilla to  Palmer.   There's a  stop sign                                                                    
     ....   We incorporated things like  the local artistry.                                                                    
     I get  nothing but rave  reviews about that  and again,                                                                    
     that  was  something  we  planned   into  it  from  the                                                                    
     beginning at a very low cost to the project ....                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:25:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DOUGHERTY  turned to  the  next  slide of  the  Glenn-Bragaw                                                               
Interchange.   He told  members he  first met  Mr. McQueary  at a                                                               
community   meeting  about   the  interchange.     The   affected                                                               
stakeholders in  that project were identified  early.  Pedestrian                                                               
access throughout that  area was very important.   The public was                                                               
presented  with   different  ideas   about  connecting   the  two                                                               
neighborhoods.    The  process  went well  and  a  good  solution                                                               
resulted.   DOT&PF also worked  with the  owner of the  Red Apple                                                               
Market to help  keep his business going  during the construction.                                                               
He said the impact to the traveling public should be minimal.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:28:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. DOUGHERTY told members that  DOT&PF received awards from FHWA                                                               
for the  way CSS was incorporated  into its process.   He said he                                                               
agrees with Mr. Neidhold that DOT&PF  is embracing CSS on many of                                                               
its projects and that it is the  way to go to prevent last minute                                                               
surprises.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:29:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
AN UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER  asked if using the  CSS techniques works                                                               
for DOT&PF.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:29:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DOUGHERTY  said he  believes  CSS  is  a successful  way  to                                                               
develop a project.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:29:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DOOGAN noted two elements  to the cost.  The first                                                               
is  how the  CSS process  affects the  project planning  cost and                                                               
second, how it affects the actual  project cost.  He asked if the                                                               
CSS  planning   method  has  resulted  in   design  changes  that                                                               
increased the project cost.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. DOUGHERTY said  it has not resulted in design  changes in his                                                               
experience  because the  design decisions  are made  after taking                                                               
input from  the stakeholders.   It prevents finishing  90 percent                                                               
of a project's design and having to start over.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:30:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DOOGAN  asked if DOT&PF  had to redesign a  lot of                                                               
projects before it began using the CSS process.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. DOUGHERTY  said there have not  been a lot but  it only takes                                                               
one such project.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS. WITT referred to the chart  that shows projects taking a long                                                               
time and  said the  successes Mr. Dougherty  cited are  under the                                                               
red bars.  The department did  not follow the linear process of a                                                               
federal aid  project on those  projects but, within two  to three                                                               
years  of  working  with  the  same  group,  it  progressed  from                                                               
inception to construction, which is very rare.  She continued:                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     The  problems we  have when  we get  to 90,  95 percent                                                                    
     design  is when  we  have a  protracted  and very  long                                                                    
     development   process   because    of   the   type   of                                                                    
     environmental document required or  because of the lack                                                                    
     of funding  and the  inability to  move forward  with a                                                                    
     federal aid  project very smoothly. ...  As an example,                                                                    
     the C Street extension that  has just been completed is                                                                    
     one that  when I came on  with DOT almost 20  years ago                                                                    
     was being planned  and been planned for  many years but                                                                    
     had been  proposed and designed  with hits  and starts.                                                                    
     So it's  taken 20 years,  my entire career, to  see the                                                                    
     project built.   That  is the type  of project  that is                                                                    
     very difficult to  do and keeping the  momentum up with                                                                    
     effective  stakeholder  involvement  when it  takes  so                                                                    
     long and  when you have  a changeover in who  lives out                                                                    
     there, what  the development  patterns have  been, what                                                                    
     the impacts will consequently be.   It's also one - now                                                                    
     that it's complete it's  functioning actually very well                                                                    
     as  intended.     It's  more  of   an  expressway  type                                                                    
     facility, meaning  few driveways, limited  breaks every                                                                    
     quarter of a mile.  That  is a big thing in the success                                                                    
     with the CSS examples that  Tom has cited has been with                                                                    
     a non-federal aid project.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:33:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  DOOGAN   noted  that  Mr.  Dougherty's   list  of                                                               
stakeholders included  state and federal  agencies.  He  asked if                                                               
this  process  is necessary  to  keep  bureaucrats from  impeding                                                               
forward progress on projects.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. DOUGHERTY said in his  experience, it has been very important                                                               
to bring the resource agencies into the process early.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS. WITT added that it also depends  on the type of project.  The                                                               
primary  stakeholders in  the Parks  Glenn  Interchange were  the                                                               
resource agencies;  it was important  to have them  involved from                                                               
the  beginning.   That project  was funded  with a  congressional                                                               
earmark so it could move forward very quickly.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:34:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JIM   LAMSON,  Design,   Engineering   &  Construction,   Project                                                               
Management & Engineering  Department, Anchorage Metropolitan Area                                                               
Transportation  Solutions  (AMATS),   Municipality  of  Anchorage                                                               
(MOA),  told  members CSS  means  different  things to  different                                                               
people.    The  MOA  has  been trying  to  identify  and  include                                                               
stakeholders  early in  the  planning process  for  two or  three                                                               
years.   The planning  process takes  longer, but  if all  of the                                                               
issues can  be evaluated  from the  beginning, the  designers can                                                               
move more  quickly so  less money  is spent on  that part  of the                                                               
process.   He  noted the  solution  to a  CSS project  determines                                                               
whether it will  cost more or less.   He said that  he has worked                                                               
on 8  or more  collector street upgrades;  most have  worked well                                                               
but some have been challenging.   He said bringing more people to                                                               
the  table early  and  taking a  broad  disciplinary approach  to                                                               
determining the needs is helpful and provides a better project.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:36:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DOOGAN asked if the  CSS method was used to design                                                               
the changes to  Arctic Boulevard and the  changes contemplated to                                                               
Fireweed Lane.   He  commented that every  business owner  in his                                                               
district is "up-in-arms" about that project.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:37:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. DOUGHERTY thought the MOA was developing those projects.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:37:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. LAMSON said  the majority of the Fireweed project  is a state                                                               
facility.   Several years the state  worked on a design  that was                                                               
tabled.   It was  then reintroduced  and taken  over by  the MOA.                                                               
The MOA  took a  CSS approach  and involved  many members  of the                                                               
public.   He  believes the  problem  with that  project has  been                                                               
finding consensus on  a design.  He said the  goals and values of                                                               
the  stakeholders are  very  different.   Arctic  Boulevard is  a                                                               
municipal  project;  the state  is  involved  because it  manages                                                               
construction on all  federally funded projects.  He  was not sure                                                               
how community involvement  worked in the design  of that project.                                                               
Regarding  the Spenard  Road project,  he said  that a  challenge                                                               
with this process  is that one group may leave  happy but another                                                               
group will enter  the process and raise concerns.   He said it is                                                               
likely  that a  project design  could be  completed more  quickly                                                               
without public  input but  at the final  stage, the  project will                                                               
"hit the fan."                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  DOOGAN said  he  is trying  to determine  whether                                                               
project problems  are lessened by  using this approach  or caused                                                               
by using  it, or whether  the changes  are driven by  the traffic                                                               
planners rather  than the users.   He remarked that  the solution                                                               
lies with  how the project is  defined so he is  skeptical to use                                                               
CSS as a  template for every transportation project.   He thought                                                               
simply using CSS could cause  problems with certain projects.  He                                                               
asserted:                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     But if  the problem is that  involving the stakeholders                                                                    
     in the design has stopped  the design, then if there is                                                                    
     some practical  reason for changing the  design, that's                                                                    
     a problem.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     If  it's simply  a  difference of  opinion between  the                                                                    
     people  who  make primary  use  of  the roads  and  the                                                                    
     traffic  planners,   that's  a  different  kind   of  a                                                                    
     problem.   So I'm  not sure how  or if  this particular                                                                    
     system of planning projects was  used here, should have                                                                    
     been used  here, or would  have improved things  had it                                                                    
     been used here.  The  reason I'm asking these questions                                                                    
     is I'm trying  to use something I'm familiar  with as a                                                                    
     model here to figure out -  I mean this all sounds good                                                                    
     in  the abstract,  but what  happens when  you actually                                                                    
     use it on  a project in which there  are widely varying                                                                    
     differences of  opinion about  what should  happen here                                                                    
     based on  what your use  of that particular  stretch of                                                                    
     road is.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:42:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  JOHANSEN  told  members   the  committee  would  get  more                                                               
information  from Mr.  McQueary  before the  next hearing,  which                                                               
will be in Juneau and discuss  the issue further.  There being no                                                               
one else  wishing to testify,  he invited Representative  Buch to                                                               
close the meeting.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:43:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BUCH  said Randy Scott of  Chair Johansen's office                                                               
would act as the liaison for  information sharing.  He stated one                                                               
of the  reasons he has been  interested in this topic  is because                                                               
the Strawberry  Road project has  been [in the design  phase] for                                                               
15 years  and construction may begin  within the next year.   His                                                               
thought about CSS was  not to use it as a boiler  plate, but as a                                                               
tool in  the toolbox  to be  used when applicable.   He  does not                                                               
believe any  one format will  work in every situation.   However,                                                               
changes need to  occur and he organized the meeting  to create an                                                               
interchange of ideas.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no  further business before the  committee, the House                                                               
Transportation  Standing  Committee   meeting  was  adjourned  at                                                               
2:46:24 PM.                                                                                                                   

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